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Ed McKeever
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2002
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 07:11 pm: |       |
Cabin Headliner: We took a little different approach on Swan }than most people seemed to as we wanted to upgrade to a more traditional appearance than provided by the builder’s glued on carpet. We used a perforated foam-backed white vinyl headliner material available from Defender Industries. We glued this to one-sixteenth inch marline plywood divided into four panels. The panels are held in place by the hardware backing plates and by 1-3/8 by ¼ transverse teak battens screwed into the coach roof where the panels meet and at the main bulkhead. Additionally, we attached teak battens at the upper edge of the cabin sides to support the overhead panels along the sides of the cabin. The end result is quite striking and the cabin seems much brighter as well. This is no doubt more work than gluing fabric to the coach roof but much of the work is done off the boat so is a good winter project. The weight is about the same as the carpet but we may have given up about 3/16 inch of headroom. If anyone would like a sample of the materials we used let me know. If anyone wishes to use this approach I would be happy to share a few lessons learned through trial and error. Good luck.
Ed McKeever
Swan - #117
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Deborah Davenport
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 04-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:32 am: | |
Looks like the pix didn't load last time - thanks to John Byron for alerting me.  These are the interior of Glory Days #115 after we installed the new cabin liner.
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John L. Byron
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Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 06:57 pm: | |
Deborah:
Did you replace both the hull liner and head liner or just the hull liner? Also, I just noticed that it looks like your message included some photos but I could not open them. Would you mind sending them to me directly at john@byroninspection.com? Thank you.
John Byron |
John L. Byron
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 06:53 pm: | |
Deborah:
Did you replace both the hull liner and head liner or just the hull liner? My e-mail is john@byroninspection.com if you want to respond to me directly. Thank you.
John Byron |
Deborah Davenport
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 04-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 02:19 pm: | |
I re-did the interior "wallcovering" on Glory Days. It was a project that we planned to do for ourselves, but ended up being one of the last things we did before we sold her. It came out fabulously. My husband was so skeptical after we dismantled the interior that he stayed home during the two afternoons that it took me to affix the new fabric - I think he wanted to distance himself from a possible fiasco. He was floored - and graciously admiring - when he saw the result. I pulled off the old fabric and used those pieces as patterns. WARNING: that old fabric is backed with paper which has contracted / shrunk over the years. Cut extra (maybe 3 inches in length on both the main salon and the forepeak) and leave the small cuts until it's time to install to accommodate the shrinkage. You'll need LOTS of single edge razors, at least three dozen. And don't try to cut the fabric with anything other than super-sharp scissors - tailors' shears. Application used up 5 cans of the 3M Adhesive (?? - I'll look at the boat supplies this weekend and see if I can find which one). 3M was fabulous. A tech from the Industrial area spent close to half an hour on the phone with me. I tested ahead of time and found zero bleed-through and staining from the adhesive. Note on the two afternoons: I didn't do the quarter berth because it was still in excellent condition. That time did include reassembling everything.
Regarding interior fabric - Scott has selected the same fabric I used with success on Glory Days: Calico Corners calls the fabric style Rainier in the color named Riviera. It is a woven tweed- looking blue/tan with a slightly loose weave. A super-tight weave won't give when you need to stretch it a bit to accommodate all the irregularities that come with boats. It also has what the apparel industry would call a soft hand -- which means it feels soft to the touch. Nice idea Scott has to make pillows - they will feel soft on the face.
Glad we did the work. When we pulled the fabric off the bulkheads, we found delamination in the marine ply where the chainplate attached on the starboard side. Yipe. It was an unexpected and expensive repair, but the yard did such a gorgeous job that we left it exposed when we showed the boat to prospective buyers. Proved we had done the repair properly. Cause was leakage at the chainplates. Starboard only - port was fine per the surveyor.
Where something grungy had leached from the starboard bulkhead into the concealed edge of the upper berth leeboard fabric, I used Resolve to remove the stains. It was a wow! product too.
Finally -- BE PATIENT. This is not a project that you can rush, and any re-do requires a new piece of fabric.
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Scott Corder
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:46 pm: | |
Reharding headliner fabric: I seem to have located the original source of headliner fabric for the boat. Here's the info I have:
Foss Manufacturing Company makes fabrics for automotive, RV and marine uses. They have locations in New Hampshire, California, Georgia and Indiana. They also have locations in Europe and Australia. I spoke with a sales rep in Elkhart Indiana - where a vast majority of the RVs in America are manufactured.
The sales Rep I spoke with in Spring of 2005 is Patti Cripe. Her contact info is 574-262-0121, 800-323-3130, cell is 574-903-0397. As of January 2006, I have not spoken with her in about ten months.
Patti was familiar with S2 and Tiara and seemed to think they still supplied fabric to Tiara. She sent me several samples based on her experience with the S2 Tiara factory.
Spectropile LX seems to be used on dashboard covers and other automotive uses. It comes in many colors, but none seem as light as what the factory installed in the boats.
The second sample set was labeled "Motorhome and RV Fabric" and showed four subtly different textures. This appears to be the most similar to the factory fabric. It comes in a variety of neutral colors and can be delivered in custom colors and widths.
The third set of samples she sent me was labeled "Hull Liner/Headliner Marine Fabric". This fabric comes in two different forms: stretchable and non-stretchable. Patti indicated that we would want the stratchable kind given our need to conform to rounded and molded surfaces. This line of fabrics comes in 72 and 144 inch widths - - on up to 50 linear yard rolls.
Patti indicated that ordering less than a full roll is not typical practice for them, but because she held S2 and Tiara in high esteem, she could find a way to make exceptions for people like us.
I don't have pricing in hand, but I dont recall it being outrageously different that buying high-quality fabric from a store.
As for my plans for my boat's interior: I share your reluctance to tackle the removal of nearly all the hardware on the deck. However, when I do get around to this project, it is my plan to re-finish all the interior woodwork while all the fabric is out of the boat. That should greatly expedite that work - and provide a great result once all the new fabric and headliner has been replaced.
As mentioned in my other note about interior fabric, I am pretty confident that I will have an automotive interior specialist do the headliner installation. |
Scott Corder
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 12:21 pm: | |
I apologize that this post will be in two parts. The first regards hull liner fabric - I will post separately with info I have gathered regarding headliner materials. Here goes the first part...
I am in the process of replacing the fabric that lines the inner hull of my boat (the primarily vertical surfaces).
On the excellent advice of Deb Davenport (who until recently owned a 9.1 named Glory Days), I have just ordered 24 yards (72 linear feet by 54 inches wide) of a woven fabric made by Sunbrella - the same company who makes sail cover materials. I was surprised to find that Sunbrella makes fabrics in weaves and patterns (not just colid colors).
Two factors made this decision for me: first, the color and weave of the fabric I chose is nearly identical to the original fabric the factory installed (a weave of blues, tans and greys). I am pretty picky about my interior as my boat is the former Irish Rose pictured in the original factory sales brochure - and I have gone to great lengths to maintain her original appearance.
Secondly, and perhaps even more importantly, this Sunbrella fabric is nearly bullet-proof from what I have been told. The salesperson indicated that I can even run a bleach stick across it and it won't leave a mark! Even though I've re-cored and re-bedded every hole in the boat, I suspect there will be leaks at some point - and this Sunbrella fabric should repel them all.
Again on Deb's advice, I ordered my fabric from a company called Calico Corners. Apparently Deb has done some work for their corporate headquarters. They have retail stores in many parts of the country. I ordered from their store in Novi Michigan where I received incredible customer service. They also have a web site at www.calicocorners.com.
The fabric I chose listed for 39.99 per yard but they called me when it went on sale for 15 percent off (sale ends Jan 28, 2006). Furthermore, when they saw the amount I was ordering, they took another 5 percent off!! Total for my order was 767.80 plus tax - that's 200 dollars off the list price!
I don't know yet if I will get this all installed this season, but I wanted to order the fabric just in case they discontinued the pattern or color I wanted.
About the only caution they gave me regarded fraying of the egdes of the fabric. They indicated that a careful hand and appropriate glueing should keep this in check.
Sidebar on installation: I have been discussing this project with a few professional automotive interior specialists - and may end up paying them to do this work, especially if we tackle the headliner at the same time.
Finally, I figure I'll use some of the scraps to make a few pillows that, thanks to the nature of Sunbrella, can easily be used up on deck as well as inside the boat. Like John said, it doesn't make us go any faster, but this should add plenty of pleasure to all our hours spent on the boat! |
John Stefancik
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 01-2001
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 09:11 pm: | |
I used Marine Headliner/ Hull Liner from West Marine. Attached nicely to the hull with 3M spray adhesive. Its been on for about 10 months and looks fine. I was thinking I might use the same materials for the headliner. Also considering just covering it with some type of polyurethane paint after I remove the old cloth.
John Stefancik
Hurricane Kelley
Annapolis, MD |
John L. Byron
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 02:42 pm: | |
John:
What material did you use to replace the hull liner?
John Byron |
John Stefancik
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Post Number: 25
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 11:39 am: | |
Has anyone replaced their cabin headliner? My is real ratty, and since it doesn't make the boat go fast, I haven't paid too much attention to it. But with three little kids now going out on overnights, the interior is now getting more attention.
Last year I replaced the hull liner, and it was quite easy. The headliner appears much tougher to replace, because as far as I can tell S2 installed it prior to the bulkheads and all of the deck hardware.
Any insights or experience you have is much appreciated. |
