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     Gary Hendrickson New member Username: Garyh Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2001 Rating: N/A |
As of Jan. 2nd 2004 there is a duplication of topic categories situation for this topic. Click on topic called "Issues to Look for on Survey Inspection" in the main Technical Fix-it menu, then click on "Pre-Boat Buying Questions." Gary Hendrickson | ||
| Bill Yorde New member Username: Bill Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2002 Rating: N/A |
Gregg, If you like this particular boat and they'll adjust the price, you'll have a boat you know has been properly repaired. Unless, maticuousily maintained over their lifetime most 17-20 year old boats need significant repair. I had both the mast step/partners repair and the port bulkhead replacement costing about $ 6500 . If your not wild about this boat be patient, a better one will be along. Good Luck. | ||
| Gregg Johnson New member Username: Gregg_johnson Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2003 Rating: N/A |
Thanks to all of you for the help and advise on what to look for in evaluating a used 9.1. I did find problems with the boat I had under contract and am still trying to decide whether to move forward with a much lower offer. It looks like no one has done anything to take care of the boat for several years. The initial review was so bad we didn't even have the boat hauled. Major problems are: 1. Leaking chainplates have over the past several years produced rot in the chainplate attachments and bulkhead, particularly on the port side. Looks like the entire bulkhead may need to be replaced. 2. Stringers and mast step indicate rot. Mast step will have to be rebuilt and several stringers replaced. 3. Engine has a bad alternator, posssible bad water pump,possible bad cutlass bearing, and possibly damaged folding prop or bent shaft. Also, motor mounts probably need replacement and the shaft needs to be re aligned. It really vibrates at 700 RPM! 4. Sails are all fair to poor and will have to be replaced. 5. Cosmetic damage to the starboard deck outside the genoa track for about four to five square feet of the non-skid. Looks like the spinnaker pole or something similar got loose during transit several years ago. 6. Many other acessories need repair or replacement such as bildge pumps, head, alcohol stove burners, ect. The important observation here is that BOATS NEED CONTINUED CARE. If this Owner had just re bedded the chainplates and paid attention to keep water out of the boat, very few of these serious problems would have developed. To me it is very sad, when I see what would have been a very nice boat if it had been cared for over the past several years. Anyone have a suggestion of a value for a boat in this shape? I would consider taking on the engine work and possibly the chainplate and mast step repair, but the bulkhead replacement is going to be very difficult. To me the value of the boat with all these problems would be in the range of 10K or possibly less. I would still have to check out the hull carefully. You have all whetted my appetite for sailing this class and I am going to look for another one if this boat does not pan out! | ||
| Deborah Davenport New member Username: Ddavenport Post Number: 20 Registered: 04-2001 Rating: N/A |
Gregg, I'm an original owner -- bought hull #115 in 1986. The point that other 9.1 owners have made about cockpit size was one of the major reasons I chose the boat to begin with. During the first seven years, I campaigned her on Lake Erie with considerable success, including the Fairport 1-2 almost every year. That was a two-leg race, 26 miles each way, solo out and double-hand back -- we were never out of the silver. I'll second the other comments on downwind stability, especially in the 15 - 25 knot range -- when other boats are getting squirrelly, pile your crew aft and the 9.1 will sit down and power past your competition. Upwind, the design performs better in big seas and/or long swells than nasty short chop. If you have a lot of short chop, use checkstays in combination with the babystay. In 1993, when I moved to Connecticut, Glory Days retired from regular racing. For the past five years, my husband and I have double-handed her everywhere, cruising up to Newport, Woods Hole, Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket. Recommendation for short-handed racing / distance sailing: my husband rigged up a swiveling mount on the stern pulpit for our handheld GPS, and wired its 12-volt power supply through the shallow locker. Whoever is on the helm can easily see the GPS this way. The site lists almost every possible problem that a surveyer might find in these 17 to 20 year-old boats. They are like the rest of us: after a certain age, it's patch, patch, patch. Best of luck with the 9.1...hope all works out well for you. Happy holidays, Deborah Davenport | ||
| Jeff Roy New member Username: Jeffr Post Number: 88 Registered: 03-2001 Rating: N/A |
Brayden, I picked up a small steadying sail that has made the boat skate a lot less on anchor or mooring. My S2 6.9 skated a lot more than other boats as well. I am not sure what it is about these boats that make them tack back and forth so much on anchor, but I do have a few theories. I think the chuckless cleats being so far down the side rails tend to get the boat started in one direction or the other. I think the keels on the Grand Slam S2's seem to be quite a bit further forward than on most designs, not sure if it contributes or not. The high freeboard of these boats probably contributes to the sailing at anchor thing. ---- Regarding items to watch for. Obviously any leaks in a cored boat can result in major problems. I had more than my fair share of them and the surveyor missed most of them. | ||
| Bill Yorde New member Username: Bill Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2002 Rating: N/A |
Gregg, One place that was missed on the survey of my 9.1 was the bulkheads where the chainplates attach. The starboard side is upholstered and covered by cabinetry in the head, it's not much better on port. If the chainplates have not been rebedded regularly water can rot the plywood. These bulkheads are heavily glassed. My survey disclaimed items that were unaccessable,upholstered etc. It's was well worth the repair, it's a great boat. | ||
| Bill Yorde New member Username: Bill Post Number: 2 Registered: 03-2002 Rating: N/A |
Gregg, One place that was missed on the survey of my 9.1 was the bulkheads where the chainplates attach. The starboard side is upholstered and covered by cabinetry in the head, it's not much better on port. If the chainplates have not been rebedded regularly water can rot the plywood. These bulkheads are heavily glassed. My survey disclaimed items that were unaccessable,upholstered etc. It's was well worth the repair, it's a great boat. | ||
| John Stefancik New member Username: Jstef Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2001 Rating: N/A |
Gregg, The boat is great. Easy to handle, quick and certainly affordable in all regards. Also this website offers owners a tremendous amount of info should you ever need it (bonus). The boat handles all wind conditions very well except when below 3 knots, then we always get passed by newer/lighter designs. We race hard during every week from April through September and about once per year we go for a cruise. I think the boat is quite comfortable and has enough amenities for a racer-cruiser. I also think it is a little unstable at anchor by itself to sleep on, so we prefer to raft up with others or stay at a dock whenever we cruise. Be aware of the mast step repair as well as core damage under the cleats on the coachroof and around the cockpit bilge pump (if the previous owner did not regularly re-bed them). I have had experience will all of these repairs to the tune of several thousand dollars. I also had a severe problem where the front of the mast step was actually punching out through the bottom of the boat, and insurance covered it. But I do not think any of these repairs are really out of the ordinary for a heavily raced boat nor for a boat of this age. Mine is Hurricane Kelley, hull #5 (short rig) made in 1983. We sail on the Chesapeake Bay out of Annapolis. Feel free to contact me if you have questions. | ||
| Brayden Woods New member Username: Brayden Post Number: 9 Registered: 05-2003 Rating: N/A |
My wife and I race our 9.1 and have while only having the boat for 3/4 of a season found it remarkably easy to sail and race. Either double handed, or fully crewed. While we plan to change some equipment to make it better (like rope clutches instead of jammers) I find the boat very easy to sail to 80% of it's potential. It's PHRF is accurate and fair. I would look for all the typical items in the class list, as ALL of them showed up on our boat when be bought it. 1. Mast Step 2. Partners 3. Transmission (slipping) As with Jeff - I am happy to recomend this boat, and answer any questions that you might have. | ||
| Jeff Roy New member Username: Jeffr Post Number: 87 Registered: 03-2001 Rating: N/A |
I race my 9.1 double handed and think it is very well suited for it. Last summer my crew and I won our division in the New England Solo Twin, a 80 mile offshore short handed race. The 9.1 is very stable down wind, which is important shorthanded because you can not trim constantly as you would fully crewed. The roomy cockpit makes it a safe boat as well. Feel free to contact me directly with any questions or post them here and I will answer them. | ||
| Gregg Johnson New member Username: Gregg_johnson Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2003 Rating: N/A |
I have a 9.1 under contract and am interested in comments on how she sail, particularly double handed. Also would be interested in suggested things to look for in survey. I have read most of the site info. Thanks for the help. |
